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The question wouldn't be about whether or not the sex scene is problematic. It would be about whether or not it's problematic enough to ruin the entirety of the book.

For better or worse, the discussion of this huge, page tome would be overshadowed by the discussion of this one scene.

I'm not weighing in on this being a bad or good thing. I'm simply saying that I think this is a fact of modern criticism. The sex scene doesn't work today.

I thoroughly believe that if this book were written today, this scene would be rewritten if not omitted entirely. I wish the scene wasn't in the book, or that it was different.

I'm not going to rewrite the scene because I think Stephen King kicks ass, and me suggesting tweaks seems like me backseat driving during the Moon landing.

Totally unqualified, totally unhelpful, totally stupid. It comes down to the individual. Some people won't hate it, perhaps even feel it fits with the book.

Some people will hate it, but like the book in spite of it. Some people will find it intolerable, and the book will be ruined for them because of it.

I'd skip it. King has a lot of great books. As do a lot of other writers. I don't think you're making a bad choice by skipping something that's guaranteed to push your buttons.

Plus, the scene happens so late in the book, you've invested so much time by then, that you'll feel resentment.

I feel safe in saying that resentment is not a feeling intended by the book, nor is it a feeling that you should have when you finish any book.

Discover for yourself. It's okay. It's a very WTF moment in what is otherwise a really good read. Peter Derk lives, writes, and works in Colorado.

Buy him a drink and he'll talk books all day. Buy him two and he'll be happy to tell you about the horrors of being responsible for a public restroom.

To leave a comment Login with Facebook or create a free account. Donaldson that is usually the catalyst for fantasy fans bailing out on the series.

I read the first three books of The Chronicles out of sequence; I read the Illearth War first book 2 , then The Power that Preserves Book 3 before getting my hands on a copy of Lord Foul's Bane book 1 , which may have insulated me from the protagonist's vile act early in the first book that convinces most people to check out of the series.

That said, it makes some sense in the context of the story: the protagonist, Thomas Covenant, has been a leper for I think 10 years at the point he's translated to a the magical Land wherein he's abruptly cured of the symptoms of his leperousy by a beautiful young woman.

Unable to reconcile the training he's etched into his life to protect himself from his leperousy and this dream existence where he's been cured of it, he decides it must be a dream and in a fit of rage and lust as a result of his first sensation of physical arousal in 10 years , he attacks the first person that befriended him in a wildly misguided attempt to break the "delusional dream" that he now feels trapped in.

Does it make sense in the course of the narrative? I think so; I mean the rational bears out to me. Does it work as a plot device?

Sort of..? The fact that such a horrible act doesn't break the "dream" lays the groundwork for Covenant accepting that, regardless of whether the Land is real or not, it isn't just an arbitrary fantasy that his mind has retreated to to escape his leperosy and the kind of life he has to live to survive it.

Would it fly now? Lord Foul's Bane was written in the mid's and sadly I feel like we're still struggling in literature with breaking this mold of rape as a plot device.

To be fair, the effects of this act are incredibly far reaching in the first three books of the series, both for Covenant's character arc and for his victims the girl in question, her parents both driven to different depths of madness by despair , her fiance driven to violence and hatred for Covenant and the daughter born of that rape.

A lot of the story of the first three books falls apart without that act I'd like to think that Donaldson could have written just as good a story without making rape part of his protagonists CV I've recently re-read the book and I agree with you about the weirdness of that scene today.

It was probably something different 20 or more years ago. The only thing I don't agree with is " The critiques of Bev This is my personal opinion, anyway!

I enjoyed your analysis of the scene. I was ten when I read the book the first time, and my views on it have changed.

Bev's role as the only girl is indeed problematic today. I am greatly looking forward to the film version.

And it's Ben's kiss that brings her back. Much like a fairy tale, this serves the same purpose as the book by bringing them together in childhood beliefs and pre-sexual intimacy, and I am really curious about how this is going to work in the film.

So I recently reread the book in time to go see the new movie. Bad idea. They splash around in the water for a time and then the very next scene shows a close up of the girls profile as she lies about still in bra and panties as the rest of the Losers stare.

Or the fact that they play up the perv factor with characters who either weren't pervs in the book or it was just hinted at with little to no confirmation.

There have been dozens of articles written about the preteen gang bang over the years, some of them thoughtful like this one and some that went so far as to insinuate a less than appropriate relationship between the author and his own kids.

Maybe King should have found a better way of getting the characters out of the sewers, I got what he was doing with the scene, It's odd what we chose to be outraged about and what we don't.

I didn't actually finish the book. I thought it got kind of tedious towards the end, especially with the sex scene between adult Bev and Bill.

It becomes irritatingly clear that Bev is something of a transdimensional sex doll being passed around Ben will be the guy to take her home, King assures us.

So I didn't even get to this even weirder child sex scene, but I've had a read now. The point is that this scene is not alone the problem--underage sex between consenting people is not in itself wrong, a little worrying if it is voyeuristic though--it just reinforces a broader theme in the book in which Bev's identity is all about sex.

As the lone girl in the group with all the other boys having non-sexual fears and anxieties , it feels exploitative and kind of limiting.

It also says a lot about King's gendered characterisation. Especially when he decides that all of the boys need to sleep with her to be comforted, and she feels that it is her role to give this to them after, we recall, having a seriously weird father, and what will later be a physically and sexually abusive relationship.

I also want to say that if sex is the link between childhood and adulthood How many kids lose their virginity without either being raped, or because they wanted to have sex?!

The pity sex thing seems to suggest that King doesn't understand women at all. We're expected to believe that she just voluntarily offers herself up as a consolation?!

And then assures each boy that she platonically? I think Bev is what King wants a girl to be She reads a lot like a fantasy and not a fully developed character.

That doesn't mean I think the book shouldn't be read, but it does mean acknowledging that the portrayal of a young and vulnerable girl is pathetically bad.

And that portrayal is not just in one cringe-worthy scene; it's throughout the book. I got what King was going for when I first read the book, although it made me uncomfortable even then.

It's totally cringeworthy now. Mostly because they removed much of Bev's power, especially in the sewer, and about a dozen other reasons I enumerated in a review on my blog.

In fact, it bugged me so much I was making notes in the dark while watching it using the light under the table--I was at Alamo Drafthouse. I didn't like how they reduced her to a sex object the boys staring at her in the swimming part and a helpless victim who had to be "saved" by the boys.

The kiss was corny and cliched. I was so disappointed, because Pennywise looked amazing and I had such high hopes. As far as including the scene in the film, I think it could have been adapted where they joined hands in a circle of power, like they do in the novel as adults, which might have made a nice bookend for that bit in the second movie.

I came upon this site by accident today. Recently, Stephen King has been very vocal in his criticism of Donald Trump.

I read the book when I was either 15 or 16 and it is actually the very last Stephen King story that I read. I became a huge fan at age 12 or 13 after reading the Stand which amazed me!

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